Curse

h9dlb · Mar 11, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Is this ok ?

Attribs: 16 death magic, 5 blood magic, 3 soul reaping, 11 healing prayers

Skills:

Animate flesh golem
animate bone fiend
animate vampiric horror
animate shambling horror
dark bond
blood of the master
heal area
resurrect

Thanks

Bohya · Mar 11, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Nope! You are waisting one of the best forms of energy management in the game.

And I totally dispise any necro who uses healing prayers.

Loli Krasivaya · Mar 11, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Get RID of heal area. You heal mobs.

If you can't change to n/d or something better just yet, but on a heavy heal breeze to counter the constant sacrificing.

Also, flesh golems are shiny but no good. I'd go for aura of the lich as your main, it makes you much harder to take down and you sac like 21 max.

AND MAX OUT SOUL REAPING. That's like THE POINT of being a necro.

Bohya · Mar 11, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Flesh golums pwn! They do a decent amount of damage, they can take a beating and they leave an expploitable corpse.
And an other thing...Don't use healing prayers at all. Your heroes/henchies should be healing you fine.

Covah · Mar 11, 2008, 11:06 PM // 23:06

What Loli Krasivaya said + Ressurect = worst monk res. res ally with 25% hp and 0 energy? they will die in one hit or be worthless till their energy and hp are back up.

Fungus Amongus · Mar 11, 2008, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Not good. You need more soul reaping and less healing. There's no way you could sustain energy with that build with a measly 3 points in Soul Reaping. Try at least 10 in Soul Reaping.

The skill choice isn't too bad but most experienced MM's won't use Flesh Golem in most cases. Shambling Horror would be a better choice than Vampiric Horror. Shambling Horrors renew themselves as Jagged Horrors after death so your army lasts a bit longer.

Blood Magic only affects the duration of Dark Bond. Since it's such a cheap skill, set Blood to 3, you'll have no problem keeping it up.

Healing Prayers are really only used to get your minions from point A to point B. During battle you should be killing fast enought to keep animating fresh minions. For this, Healing Ring (5e-same heal for them) would be a better choice of heal for them. Don't bother setting Healing at more than 8. Even then BotM is enough to keep them going.

For Elite, try Aura of the Lich, Order of Undeath, Discord, or something else. Not that Flesh Golem is bad, it lumbers around dealing and absorbing damage, but it also just lumbers around dealing and absorbing damage.

Meh, someone else take it from there.

majikmajikmajik · Mar 11, 2008, 11:15 PM // 23:15

go /rt and get life and death pact signet with 12death/10soul reaping/8resto

Carinae · Mar 11, 2008, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Wow, some bad advice here, and some good advice.

More Soul Reaping. At least 10. This is your main energy engine and it absolutely crucial to the build.

Regarding Heal Area: It's a fine choice, please disregard advice from previous posters, except Fungus. They are simply wrong. Back Healing down to 8-9 however. Heal Area is YOUR self-heal with the bonus of healing a few minions. You should use this sparingly, however, your hench healers should be able to keep you healed just fine. Heal Area is there for the times that they don't....dead, pissed off, asleep, out of range, etc...

Flesh Golem is a decent choice for a beginner MM. You can't go wrong with it. There are better choices once you get used to MMing.

Accursed · Mar 11, 2008, 11:19 PM // 23:19

I'd go with this:

[skill]Order Of Undeath[/skill]-[skill]Animate Bone Fiend[/skill]-[skill]Animate Shambling Horror[/skill]-[skill]Blood Of The Master[/skill]-[skill]Healing Ring[/skill]-Rezz of some sort-2 random skills.

frandrew1026 · Mar 11, 2008, 11:33 PM // 23:33

i've been using this MM build and so far it works for me. ive been using it for my Necro and Hero MM's. credit to my friend Daddy Jake for the build

Attributes:
12+1+3 Death Magic
10+2 Soul Reaping
8 Healing Prayers

Signet of Lost Souls
Animate Flesh Golem
Animate Bone Fiend
Animate Bone Horror
Infuse Condition
Blood of the Master
Heal Area/Karei's Healing Circle
Rebirth

Use Ghial's Staff for occasional Lvl 28 Flesh Golem..

h9dlb · Mar 11, 2008, 11:33 PM // 23:33

is heal party a better choice ?

I read a long thread by chthon who suggests its essential for a MM to have healing skills and he seems to recommend heal area
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10202363

Bohya · Mar 11, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Arrgghh! The healing skills! Don't..use..heal...ing..pray..ers!

the kurzick eater · Mar 11, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

blood of the master- order of undeath- bone minion- bone fiend-dark bond - rebirth - SOlS - FRENZY <---(not really)

(order of undeath is a HUGE damage dealer) dont spec ANY in healing prayers.

nvmu · Mar 12, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

OANDUsldOYc3JGBPMFoCHVgG this is what i use, with a sup death rune, it works for me, it is similar to your build, try to make sure you have around 50+ energy, and i use healing area and the other similar skill in that build to heal minions more effect in between battles, and 1 of those healing skills heals yourself as well, i know personally i try to keep 10 minions up

Adam of Tyria · Mar 12, 2008, 12:47 AM // 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Flesh Golem is a decent choice for a beginner MM. You can't go wrong with it. There are better choices once you get used to MMing.

Is there such thing as a beginner/expert MM? You raise them, and keep them and yourself alive easily.

SEEMS COMPLICATED.

Chthon · Mar 12, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Wow, some bad advice here, and some good advice.

Quoted for major truth. The OP's build is pretty bad, but the advice in here is even worse.

Quote:

Originally Posted by h9dlb

I read a long thread by chthon who suggests its essential for a MM to have healing skills and he seems to recommend heal area
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10202363

Yes I did, and yes you should. But you should run it at 8 healing prayers, not 11.

Here's a repost of my basic MM build template that one day I'll get off my ass and make into a full-fledged guide:

Atts:
12 + 3 + 1 Death Magic
10 + 1, 2, or 3 Soul Reaping
8 Self-Heal's Attribute

Skills:
0. Rez, either on your bar or in your inventory as rez scrolls.
1. Bone fiend.
2. Melee minion -- Bone Horror OR Vampiric Horror.
3. BotM.
4. Self-Heal -- AotL OR Heal Area OR Mystic Regen.
5. E-Management -- Masochism OR Signet of Lost Souls.
6. Elite -- Order of Undeath OR AotL OR maybe Flesh Golem.
That leaves 1-2 optional spaces to discuss some other time.

Carinae · Mar 12, 2008, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by the kurzick eater

(order of undeath is a HUGE damage dealer) dont spec ANY in healing prayers.

OoU is also a huge damage dealer to YOU. Spec Healing please. 8 or 9.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bohya

Arrgghh! The healing skills! Don't..use..heal...ing..pray..ers!

Bad advice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by h9dlb

is heal party a better choice ?

Negatory. Heal Area, not Ring, Area.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam of Tyria

Is there such thing as a beginner/expert MM?

There is indeed. It's actually a very subtle build to play, there's a LOT you can do to tweak things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

2. Melee minion -- Bone Horror OR Vampiric Horror.

I prefer Shamblings honestly, but I understand why you picked this. They let you startup faster, but they also interfere with SR returns. Everything has a down side.

Trvth Jvstice · Mar 12, 2008, 03:57 AM // 03:57

No Jagged Bones? <---which I haven't capped yet

I prefer Shambling Horrors and Bone Minions + Death Nova

Osi Ri S · Mar 12, 2008, 05:41 AM // 05:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loli Krasivaya

Get RID of heal area. You heal mobs.

Tell me WHY you would use heal area when youre in the middle of a mob. As a MM you shouldnt be anywhere near a mob in the first place.

and KEEP Heal Area, especially if youre using OoU, its a nice heal to cast after OoU to make sure you dont get spiked.

Also, you can try using two superior runes once you get used to MMing since it looks like youre using dark bond. It will lower your saccing by alot and you shouldnt die since you have DB.

Trvth Jvstice, personally i wouldnt use Jagged because its too hard to micro, leave it for heros which use it 10x better.

It's A Me · Mar 12, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Check out the sticky and do some searching please, this stuff has been asked so many times and answered so many times its ridiculous now -_-.